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I agree, Huckabee would be a terrible choice, but to wish Obama on the country is one of those things I would only wish on my worst enemies.

Again in 2012, with Huckabee as a frontrunner on the ticket. At the very least, I'll stay home. I think I'm sold on voting for the conservative Senator from Arizona in 2008-Barry Goldwater. :-)

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Sounds good to me. If dead people can vote for Democrats, then Republicans can vote for dead people.

Your Huckabee hatred is way over the top. I'm no fan either but your view of him as Satan's spawn is just silly. At worst, he'd govern the nation like he governed Arkansas, which would be a lot better then Obama would.

"I will look for people in the cast of John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and my friend the late William Rehnquist – jurists of the highest caliber who know their own minds, and know the law, and know the difference." - John McCain

I don't like my Party turning into the Democrats lite, so I tend to fight that tooth and nail. I'm tired of having to keep the gloves on with everyone who has a R after their name, that's how we lost the majority. I'm glad to praise Republicans who actually act like Republicans and not like pro-life uglier versions of John Edwards.

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I can't actively say that someone who governed their state to the Left of Bill Clinton would be better than Obama, to address your typical point of the GOP these days of the liberal boogeyman, The Democrats would be So Much Worse! That argument no longer flies with me-give me something to vote for, because with what I saw from a GOP majority, the Democrats aren't going to be So Much Worse, since we've already set the tone for spinelessness, corruption, bloated spending, and a lack of conservative judges on the bench. Or was that some other party in charge during the Bush years?

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You're really unhinged on this one. No amount of rational debate on my part is going to change your mind. I'd ask only that you take a few steps back from your own thinking and try to examine it with a little more distance.

"I will look for people in the cast of John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and my friend the late William Rehnquist – jurists of the highest caliber who know their own minds, and know the law, and know the difference." - John McCain

Conservatives who don't act like it, whether through their NewTone, their record as governor, or their complete lack of a spine in Congress. There were three candidates I was willing to support for this election, and none of them made it. I was willing to carry water for McCain, but moves like this show me he isn't interested in my vote, which is fine, and makes me happy that I am in a swing state. I look forward to him losing with the squishy middle and Christian Right in November-I'll be back here working on rebuilding the Republican wing of the Republican party.

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I'll be sitting on my hands in November if this ticket comes to fruition. Take your dislike of Romney, Jeff and multiply it by 500000 and then you'd still be short of how much I dislike Huckabee.

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voting for Obama would serve no purpose at all. America is moving to the left, more assurance to the left will in no way help our cause.

I agree Huckabee would be a TERRIBLE choice, and I do not think McCain would make such a mistake. McCain can win the South without the Huckster. Huck would only guarantee that McCain can not pick off PA, MI, and others.

McCain needs Jindal, if not Jindal, heck, why not go with Pete Sessions? Huckabee is to social conservatism as Paul is to libertarian conservatism. These two men are charicatures that only hurt their purported cause.

It seems to me that right now McCain is acting the exact opposite of Reagan. He is trying to piece together a winning majority by hook and crook, philosphy comes after the strategy. Reagan started with philosophy and asked others to join him.

I still stand by McCain and the Republican party. I still hold out hope that we can right this mess. But I will be honest with you, I would actually be much more enthused if even the liberatrian Wayne Allyn Root switched places with McCain. This shows we have serious problems, we are supporting a candidate because we support our party, not because we think he has the best ideas.

As for Obama, he will get the maximum he could ever get from me, which is ZERO.

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I just wrote my diary on a new Contract for America. I think we need to start over and rebuild, and we aren't going to do it as long as we have to carry water for McCain. I'm not gonna give him the kid gloves treatment anymore. I've been a good Republican since he got the nomination. He insists on giving us conservatives the finger, and from now on, I got one right here to give back to him.

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Huckabee is a social conservative, but I'm probably not the best person to say who is or isn't a conservative (I consider myself a libertarian, and, when asked for my ideology, I say I'm a liberal, if for no other reason than to mess with people who don't know what "liberal" really used to stand for).

"No matter how much lipstick you put on the taxation pig, it's still a pig... and it's currently snout-down in your wallet." - Michael Fisk

Me too... unfortunate, too, as I'm a Florida voter. I might be able to live with Romney. Maybe. But, Huck is a no-go.

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If Huckabee is on the ticket, Colorado will go 60/40 (at least) for Obama.

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There is no way Huck will be VP because anyone with a brain knows the MSM has either testimonals, transcripts, or Videos of Pastor Huck's sermons,which given his '92 comments about AIDS, are probably the right wing equal of Wright's. McCain's people know this, there justing tossing out names at this point, this guy thinks its Huck, Novak thinks its Portman, other reporters thinks its other people.

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...if for no other reason than putting Portman (who is Jewish) in the VP slot should probably cause Ron Paul's head to explode :)

"No matter how much lipstick you put on the taxation pig, it's still a pig... and it's currently snout-down in your wallet." - Michael Fisk

Portman would be a pretty good selection, I'm favorable towards Jindal and he's a governor which plays well anyway.

If McCain was going for the Jewish connection, I would suspect that he would pull an "across the aisle" and select Lieberman. Why not go full RINO.

On a more serious note, a Ron Paul head implosion would be good fun.

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To even send up this trial baloon. Back to his better choices among the Burmese Junta.

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Straight Talk Express got you down?

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...he doesn't owe me anything.

However, I have no qualms about voting Libertarian if Huckabee ends up the nominee.

"No matter how much lipstick you put on the taxation pig, it's still a pig... and it's currently snout-down in your wallet." - Michael Fisk

But you're right he balances out McCain really well. McCain's spending cuts with Huckabee's record of taxing and spending. McCain's support of the death penalty with Huckabee's 1033 pardons. McCain's support of the wat vs Huckabee's "arrogant bunker mentality of the Bush administration." McCain-Kennedy vs Huckabee's give all of them college scholarships, wait no that's not popular, throw all the w*tb*cks out of the country, McCain's contempt for agents of intolerance vs the guy who wanted to quarantine everyone with AIDS, McCain's understanding of the need to cut the corporate tax vs populist class warfare Huck, and McCain's reputation for ethics vs Huckabee's "gifts" from the Arkansas governor's mansion. But yeah, they'd be perfect on a ticket-the media's two favorite Democrats.

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...and I'm sure that you will be voting McCain / Huckabee once you see what Obama's agenda is.

Then I saw his agenda, and I'd rather fight liberals in their party than in ours. I'll be writing in Goldwater and giving money to Barr.

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I would vote McCain.

If Rudy were VP, I would vote McCain.
If Romney were VP, I would vote McCain.
If "moderate Fred" were VP, I would vote McCain.
If Ron Paul were VP, I would vote McCain.
If BlackRepub were VP, I would vote McCain.

McCain is infinitely better than Obama. There is no good reason to go third party now, especially if we get a great VP like Huckabee.

I'd make Dick Cheney look like Mary Poppins. This is not about VP-this is about the future of the party. Huckabee cannot be allowed to lead the Party. He can lead the SoCon wing, but he is not the three tooled conservative that can be an articulate voice for any conservatism other than social and cultural, and if that's all the GOP has to offer now is social conservatism, and they are willing to throw away the other stools, then I need to look for another Party. Like I said, I'm in a swing state-and McCain isn't giving me a good reason to not hand the election to Obama and ride the Jindal/Palin wave in 2016 back to conservative might.

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Maybe one day-as soon as Michiganders get tired of elected silly Democrats, which I hope will be soon. I like to fashion myself as Rudy on steroids with a sprinkle of RonPaul and a delightful topping of Fred.

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You're actually giving people like me (more) reason to vote for McCain if he doesn't pick Huckabee as his running mate.

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His need to give the base the continual finger on issues like AGW, which kills his argument as a spender but gives his friends in the media a chance to remake him as the Maverick. He is going to be death by a thousand paper cuts for the Right-and the fact that he is running as not really a Republican shows what he's goign to do downticket-we are going to get killed downticket and he's going to win the Presidency. What's the chances Mr. BiPartisan NewTone is going to stand up for conservative values in the White House. He's got about as much chance of governing as a conservative President as Bill Clinton does of keeping his pants on during an intern hiring interview. But Bill did teach us one thing that we can use through the McCain Presidency as conservatives-put some ice on it.

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We already died the death of a thousand cuts by the current occupant of the White House. I know it's not popular to say but I still think McCain is more conservative than Bush. despite all his rhetoric, Bush has sat down on a lot of conservative issues himself.

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He started this NewTone trash that got us into this mess. I agree with you, Bush has not governed as a conservative either. But we were willing to give a pass, because we knew that when we nominated him. He was the friendly, folksy Southern governor, who could zip in some one liners and really had a broad appeal to the Christian Right, but his record on government expansion as Texas governor was horrible (sound familiar about any other candidates?). Bush was only conservative on the war, and even that was horrible mismanaged until we got the good General Patraeus in to rectify the tragedy of Rumsfield, who had no exit strategy or idea of how to deal with a long sustained counterinsurgency. Perhaps if Patraeus had been in charge all along we wouldn't be in such a rut with Iraq, and we could be onto Iran, while pressuing them with our allies from both sides. Heckuva job, Rummy.

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And on Huckabee.

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Which is why I don't defend McCain as a conservative. The conservative horse in the race never got out of the gate running, and the other two who I liked a lot, Mitt and Rudy just didn't run effective campaigns, although Mitt's failure was that every candidate piled on him, and Rudy ran the worst national campaign in history.

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Mitt's failure was that he was (and probably still is) perceived as inauthentic and an opportunist.

Rudy's failure was that many people did not perceive him as a conservative and once the race actually got started, people started to ask, "Why him?" Nothing against Rudy personally but we rewrite history when we say it was his inept campaign that did him in (although his campaign was inept). He started to lose support before he ceased to campaign in the early primaries and decided to make Florida his last stand.

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They were both media favorites during the primary season.

McCain was a favorite due to his Maverick past.

Huckabee was a favorite because the MSM perceived him as a disaster for GOP election chances.

A McCain-Huckabee ticket would be a disaster for many reasons, one of which would be that both are used to back-winds instead of head winds.

McCain should pick someone he is comfortable with. I think Huckabee and Romney are out.

Mike Huckabee is really a Blue Dog Democrat. That makes him better than other democrats and better than some New England Republicans, but still a tragic choice for a VP.

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Seriously, I'm curious. I actively campaigned for the guy when he beat York in 2002. I lived in in his hometowm of East Greenwhich, RI for three years. I met him. I know RI politics well. The guy is as solid as they come. But it seems like all of sudden people from all over are putting his name up for veep out of nowhere.

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Carcieri is:

1. Catholic
2. Pro-life
3. Experienced
4. Italian and Northeastern (Helps in PA?)
5. Strong on immigration to offset McCain's biggest weakness with the base
6. Another candidate with a history of cutting spending
7. No scandals (so far as we know)

We could do a lot worse.

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Hey when Huckabee is the alternative, I'd even take a random name from the Harvard faculty.

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the MSM salivates at the thought of Huckabee taking the VP spot.

Don't get me wrong, they undoubtedly underestimate his appeal, but they will use him as a punching bag---he won't know what hit him.

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A VP HuckaHucka would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, I doubt you're going to find many folks outside of hard core social conservative circles that thinks that's a good thing.

As a pander to the social conservative movement, maybe, but it would be a pander.

Heck might as well nominate Turn.. Turn... Turn... Spit... Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul. He got way more votes in the primary than HuckaHucka.

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I still think the VP spot is vastly overated and over-analyzed. The odds are dramatically in favor of never seeing that Vice President have to take power.

And even if the unthinkable were to happen, I don't see a Vice President stepping in and changing the entire course of the administration overnight. You will still have a staff of people McCain put into power and a policy the public will want to see followed.

I'm also not defending Huckabee's policies or trying to boast him up as a great VP candidate. I'm saying that if it is found that he gives John McCain the best chance to win in November, he should pick him. If the choice is having a bad Vice President who probably won't have to do anything vs having President Obama, I think I know what most people here would choose.

In the end this is politics, and the goal is to win.

Your right ...a VP that becomes president by accident would neither have the time nor the backing to do anything drastic...everybody it seems forgets, its more than one person making the decisions in the WH.

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and it seems like we are dangling from a thread even without that gratuitious salt-in-the-wound

Depression Conservatives wake up every morning to a firm kick to their poitical groin.

populists (a group that really didn't seem to vote together since William Jennings Bryan which makes him both confusing and frustrating to many of us).

If we wan to lose 60-40, with a really enthusiastic 40, McCain-Huckabee is the ticket

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Sorry, Pastor Huckabee turns off most moderates who would vote for McCain, I'd drop that number to probably an enthusiastic 30 percent, of just Republicans. McCain would loose many more Reagan Democrats and I's based on a pander to the sc wing of the party by picking Huckahucka as his VP.

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We are in agreement.

He would pick more more Reagan democrats in states like MI,PA, etc. that are socially conservative, but we would almost certainly lose

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Or as he calls it, "being understanding because he' said outlandish things himself". And all I need is the porcelain throne. This whole day in politics has made me hate the party I've never voted against in my life.

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He could actually bring America together. We would be united in doing good things for our fellows.

It would be the same way Jimmy Carter did but it would happen.

If it's McCain/Huckabee, I will go further than not voting for the ticket, I will be giving Obama some $$ to ensure the defeat of the Maverick Huey Long ticket and voting for Barr. Today has been the middle finger to conservatives that we all knew was coming from McCain. I look forward to advancing the movement Gingrich style as we anxiously await the next great conservative, Bobby Jindal to lead us into a new era of conservatism in 2016.

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Obama winning doesn't guarantee anything. Who says Jindal will run in four years? Who says he'll win the primary if he does? Who says he'll win the general election if he wins the primary? There's no way to tell that.

We don't win by losing elections. I'm voting McCain, and for my local Republican candidates.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

You'll need it.

...coming home and voting for him for lack of a better alternative.

I despise many of positions, AGW being chief among them, but I'll admit, I will grudgingly support him when push comes to shove. Bob Barr is not a credible candidate. I don't waste my vote on also-ran third-party candidates.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

now they are as inflamed as we were....we have lost many a great poster here at Redstate for the inflamed passions of those who consistantly berated us....I have to question where is Adam C? what say he? I can guarantee you that the implosion will truly occur when McCain speaks to LaRaza....because McCain is who he is and will say exactly what we all anticipate him to say....that comprehensive illegal immigration will be back and he will sign it when it gets to his desk....I 100 percent guarantee it!...with regards to picking Huckabee...well to me they are one in the same less the Iraq war stand.

If the GOP had an kahunas they would take McCain to the woodshed and tell him that if he continue's this beating of the base that they cannot support him at the convention and along with the Paulites embarrass him in a way that he can be guaranteed a loss in the general.

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Thank you!

There are two choices for the office of president. Between Obama with a far-left congress and McCain, I choose McCain. That's not a hard decision. If the GOP retained congress, my thinking could potentially be different, but I cannot sit idly by and turn the entire government over to neo-communists like Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama.

I care about the future of the country more than I do the future of the GOP. Let's stop with the hysterics, shall we? The GOP will survive and thrive after John McCain. McCain is far from being the most liberal person nominated by the GOP. Pro-abortion Gerald Ford anyone?

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

And right now I am seeing precious little difference. We have McCain before La Raza, McCain saying even if Global Warming real isn't real we have to do something(That has to be one of the all time irrational statements). Seriously the man is willing to pander to people that would rather castrate themselves with a rusty spoon than vote for him.

We both care about the future of the country, let me ask just what kind of future will it have if there are two left of center parties and no right leaning party ?

...because of McCain. To be sure, it will certainly neutralize several conservative positions, particularly on global warming and immigration, however the GOP will remain the conservative party in this country. The GOP was far more liberal than it is today in the 1970s.

It's frustrating that McCain has conceded the premise on this BS issue, it really is. But look at it this way: with Obama, we'll get a much worse climate bill, along with leftist judges, taxes, and a massively expanded gov't.

I'm still (gulp) with McCain, here. It's really not close in my view.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

If you mean conservatives by we, than we have already lost. McCain started giving us the finger today and its only going to get worse. I for one would rather restore conservatism than deal with 8 more years of a damaged Republican brand and big government. In 1994 we won by losing-Bush 1 reneged on no new taxes, Clinton was as liberal as it gets and we win both Houses as conservatives. The movement is bigger than the party, and the GOP has given up its conservative roots.

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Oh yeah, Truman and then Eisenhower.

And who'd Johnson give us?

Oh yeah, Nixon.

Reagan gave us Reagan by working for decades to get to that point. Jindal's no Reagan.

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As sacrilege as it is to some of y'all, at some point we need a new leader, and Bobby Jindal took a solidly Democratic state and won a clear majority in a crowded field. He's a three tooled conservative, and he's smart, attractive and he can appeal to every single person on the spectrum. He can be the new voice of conservatism, and I think Reagan would be proud to pass his legacy onto Jindal. And since Bush gave us McCain, I don't see how electing moderates is going to get us conservatives either. At least Bush listened to conservatives, McCain doesn't listen to anyone unless they're putting him on the front page of the NYT.

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I like Bobby J. and think at some point he'll be ready for another office, but not right now.

He's got about 8 years to fix up Louisiana, or try to and then I think he'll be ready. Call it seasoning for a guy that is only 36 years old.

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he died.

One never wins by losing, although it seems the GOP can sometimes lose by winning.

from the other day?

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/blackrepub/2008/mar/10/why_im_voting_mccai...

What about Huckabee changes your push for McCain the other day?

I am not trying to be smart...really I am not...but I have watched the anger explode on this post today and I start thinking these are some of the same people who have taken me and others to the woodshed over our anger with McCain....one little doughboy from Arkansas who has yes a Huey Long populist message now makes all the wonderful "he's a conservative" just vote for him rhetoric null and void? I have to say I am stunned by the vitriol expressed towards Huckabee because I literally felt that way about McCain...but I shut up and got in line and held my fire....and will until the LaRaza speech.

But lets be clear here...short of McCain picking the DEVIL as his running mate there is no way Obama is the better pick...no way in hell.

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But today has been the middle finger to conservatives I thought he wasn't going to give us. It started with the AGW today, and his choice to worship in Al Gore's church by supporting carbon caps. In addition to that, he's going to sign Kyoto, which proves to me he really does think that the rest of the world should dictate America's economy, a profoundly unconservative notion. And now he's going to pick Huey Long as his VP, giving us the possibility of 28 consecutive years of unconservative policies from Republican presidents all the way back to Bush I. I held my fire from Bush II because while he was no conservative, he didn't run to the media and hold it over our heads how unconservative he is. And yeah, the La Raza speech left me seething when I saw that on GC's post. I've had enough Jaded-the Maverick's made his bed, let him lie in it with his "friends", the Democrats, the media and his beloved moderates.

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that...those of us who said "McCain knives in back" were to painful to forgive and forget were told to "SUCK IT UP"...I will note SteveLA is talking of Barr...good God...I can only say this to you...barring an outright selling of the country to LaRaza you will come to see your anger dissipate and the realization that even those two together are not worse than Obama....believe me it really sucks when you think it through and see how bad Obama really is....I always say

you can vote for the Marxist, the Socialist, or the Liberal-Moderate because there is no candidate for me...and when I have to pick between those three options I will go with the Liberal-Moderate.

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