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He was one of those guys instrumental in Clinton's Impeachment, remember. (As an aside, he was also one of those guys who was, well... I don't want to use the word "fingered", by Larry Flynt.)

Bob Barr is much closer to Ron Paul's (or Badnarik's, for that matter) Paleoconservativism than, say, Reason's Cosmopolitan Libertarianism.

But, a point in Barr's favor, he just might not be bat(redacted) insane like, well, Badnarik was. Or Browne.

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Since I never got to vote for the good Senator from Arizona for President :-)

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Arguments that would work very, very well at whipping up the base are less compelling to those on the... do I call it a fringe?... between Libertarians and Republicans.

Take, for example, the argument that "THIS MAN WANTS 7-11 STORES TO BE ABLE TO LEGALLY SELL MARIJUANA AND HE WANTS TO ALLOW GAY MEN TO MARRY EACH OTHER!!!!"

While this argument in service for why you shouldn't vote for (generic Libertarian) is self-evident to any good, solid, moral churchgoer, Libertarians instead say "Amen!"

The "Let's associate him with the yellow-bellied ACLU, as they're both more interested in giving terrorists rights than in winning the war" and "HITLER!" arguments could be received with similar attitudes.

All that to say... there are arguments that one uses when one preaches to the choir and arguments that one uses when one is a missionary in the field.

The arguments you mention above strike me as ineffective missionary-style arguments.

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beer bottles should be put in the recycling bin when they're empty.

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We can hammer out the details later.

But the Libertarians *EXCEL* at breaking 1% nationally!!!

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Unless Wikipedia is wrong (and they often are), the Libertarian candidate for President has only broken 1% once (1980) and usually struggles to break 1/2%

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For the last 20 years, I've just been assuming that the 1% mentioned by the newscasts hasn't been the result of rounding.

STUPID BIASED MEDIA

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The certainly are anti-math.

Insert joke about the Libertarian Party being a rounding error....

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He hammered on Medical Marijuana and fought against it tooth and nail. He has softened his stance since then and now says "it should be left up to the states".

As for it unseating him, after the census in 2000, Georgia was redistricted and there were two incumbent Republicans fighting for the same seat. The Libertarian party said that they would do what they could and ran a *LOT* of Barr attack ads focusing primarily on his opposition to Medical MJ.

And, the race which was tooth and nail close until those ads started running, was not that close on election day.

As in, he was beaten 2 to 1.

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I think that I understand now.

When you said:

"due to issues related to Bob Barr's relationship to The Drug War (Barr was *VERY* much against it)."

What you meant wasn't that Barr was against The Drug War but that he was against being against The Drug War. Is that right? If so, it definitely comports with my recollection of things.

-exits (who was part of Badnarik's 1/2 percent)

Bob Barr squashed several medical mj initiatives including one in DC. He was also one of the guys who wrote DOMA.

One of the things being said about him is that he's a LINO and is only saying things to get his name in the news (again).

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The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

All it takes is a few thousand votes in a swing state to cost someone an election. Hopefully Barr stays away from the purple states in his campaigning.

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If it were Clinton by the Superdelegates, I'd not be surprised to see McKinney crack double digits.

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Barr and the Libertarian party just attract the kind of kooks who would to cast a joke vote anyway, and are merely looking for which joke candidate best fits their angst.

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... anybody who would vote Barr/Libertarian has decided they're going to effectively sit out the selection of the next Commander in Chief. For that kind of voter, if there was no Barr or Libertarian on the ballot they would find some other joke candidate to vote for.

Remove the war issue, and I feel way more at home with the fiscal sensibilities of the LP than the elected Republicans these days. Everywhere I turn, I see Republicans opening the gates to entitlements (and socialism).

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I think Barr could cost McCain the election.

Me too. And not because of anything about Barr. Plenty of people who voted for Perot in 1992 were sending a message concerning their displeasure with a certain set of lips. Perot was just the vessel for their bile; they knew he'd never win.

There's plenty of bile this time, too. And more being made every day.

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At least, 16 years later, that line (I'm all ears) is the only thing I remember about his efforts. Also, I recall the media attributing to him something about a giant sucking sound - or was that referring to Jimmy Carter being attacked by a rabbit?

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if Bob Barr or Ron Paul actually had a campaign organization like Ross Perot. In reality it is more like a weak, underfunded, unpopular John Anderson in 1980.

"A man does what he can and endures what he must."

The 1992 election had to do with a wealthy Ross Perot who was strongly opposed to GHW Bush free trade policy, and a DLC type Democrat promising a middle class tax cut.

The 1912 election had to do with an egghead D running on crushing the big evil corporations, and a Bull-Moose Teddy Roosevelt running on regulating the big evil corporation as much as required for the common good.

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willing to entertain the Bob Barr = Teddy Roosevelt (either in style, ability, or on the issues) analogy.

At best Barr is a Ralph Nader in 2000... if he could convince anyone to vote for him.

"A man does what he can and endures what he must."

John McCain=Teddy Roosevelt (McCain's favorite Pres.)
Barack Obama=Woodrow Wilson (first college professor Pres.)
Bob Barr=Howard Taft (libertarian view of politics)

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seems to me once you equate the 3d party nominee in 1912 with the Republican nominee in 2008 the analogy starts becoming very soft.

"A man does what he can and endures what he must."

That'd only work if, say, Romney had won the Republican nomination, but McCain/Lieberman ran third party.

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I agree that equating the 3rd party candidate Barr to the GOP incumbent candidate Taft is waaaay too big of a stretch of the imagination. I was just trying to let Streiff know that in my analogy I was equating McCain to TR. Equating the elderly TR in 1912 to McCain in 2008 is not so much of a stretch of the imagination.


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I have some libertarian bones in my body and side with that party on a few social and fiscal issues. But it's whack jobs like that that drag that party into the loony bin. It's sad too as I think the normal libertarians on the right should have more influence within the party.